Kathleen WHO?

I'm a Catholic who believes that marriage is a civil right and should be presented to the Supreme Court under equal protection. I bet Roberts and Kennedy would agree

KKT supports gay marriage ! Wow, what a shock !

Going to the chapel and I'm
gonna get married...

I know that's right

What a pathetic piece of grabage this woman is. My daughter attended elementary school with her poor daughter. That child did not know what MTV was because Mommy would not allow her to watch it. The child was completely out of touch with the rest of the world...just like Mommy.

Here's a tip Kathleen...go back to Taxacheussets where you came from. Your name, and $5.00, might get you a cup of coffee there.

Oh, this is rich.

I'm going to enjoy this thread. Catholics actually supporting gay marriage. Outstanding. I wonder what the gay hate mongering Pope thinks of this.

Actually no, I don't wonder :)

Good article, Adam. Who the heck is doing Ms. Kathleen's hair these days? Her Hair Cuttery must have abruptly closed.

J. Keatts. . . HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Who Cares!

Wow, isn’t she courageous to take a stand like that? She should run for Governor. Oh, right. Anyhow, first off, I don’t care who or what you marry… but… I’m left to make some observations.
1. We shouldn’t deprive anyone the thrill of a hotly contested divorce.
2. We shouldn’t confuse KKT’s brand of Catholic (i.e. the Christmas and Easter attendee who’s wondering to sit or kneel and looking around for a clue) with someone that actually follows the teachings of the church.
3. If she and others find themselves at such odds with the Catholic Church, why don’t they simply find another? The Catholic Church can’t be the only one that preaches “the values of love and justice”. It smacks of simple defiance for the sake of attention and I would invite them to convert to Islam and tell that organization how they want it to behave.

Does Kennedy support Islam in the US? How do they feel about homosexuals? Remember when Ahmadinejad said at the UN Iran has no homosexuals? He was right. He didn't lie. They are killed in Iran. We KNOW Obama supports Islam in all it's forms. How can anyone who supports Islam also stand with homosexuals?

Tim: I'm glad to see a Catholic come out publicly and support gay marriage. Whenever I am around other Catholic and express my support on the subject people say stuff to me like, you are Catholic aren't you . . . like I can't be Catholic if I don't support gay marriage. I feel like I've been in the closet with this view amongst my fellow Catholics.

RK, I care. . . as a Catholic in support of gay marriage I feel like an outsider on this issue and keep it to myself at church. I'm glad a recognizable Catholic has come out publicly on the subject. Maybe a lot of other Catholics will feel comfortable in support of the gay marriage and can talk openly at church and away from church.

Harry Callahan, what a disgraceful comment. Please stop posting if that's the best you can do.

Harry, your comment has me really concerned. You really need help if that's what you believe. KKT may not have been a great politician, her views may has disagreed with yours but if the difference is MTV and letting children watch it,in elementary school, I don't think one person on this site would agree with your position. In fact any parent on this site would absolutely take her stance over hers. I wish your child good luck, with a parent such as you she'll need it.

Leslie, you are most certainly not the only one. I am a Catholic. I regularly attend Mass and try to live by the values that I believe being Catholic carries. I do not walk around with my Bible in my hands, or spouting off about the way I think others should live their lives, as I prefer to live by the words of one of my favorite songs from the Church of my youth, "And they'll know you are Christian by your love." I believe in many of the basic tenets of the Catholic Church, with a few exceptions- marriage rights for the homosexual community being one of them. I was not raised to blindly believe everything I am told because someone in a robe with a fancy hat told me to. To me, that sounds more like a cult than a faith. I can believe in the faith, without always agreeing with the policy.

Who on earth cares what she thinks?

She happens to be a very public (or was ) figure, as any child of the Kennedys would be. She also happens to be catholic. She is lending her voice, as her father and her uncles did to an issue she believes in. The better question would be who cares what Roxane thinks, or even if she does.

Her uncle was the first Catholic president of the United States and took a very public and courageous stand of independence from the Vatican. Her pronouncement echoes her uncle's stance; whether you like her or not her position shows courage and a great respect for her church, her party, her legacy and human rights.

I have been reading this thread, and I have to say I'm sad. I'm Catholic, I'm proud of my Church, and I could care less what KKT has to say. As for the rest of you, SHAME ! I would not down another's religion to make my point of view valid. Stay out of Catholiscm if you don't like it's beliefs, stop calling the Pope names to make yourself feel superior. If Catholics don't want to support gay marriage, it's their concern. Vote the way you need to vote, but don't down others with petty name calling when you don't agree with them. Most Catholics are sick of being aligned with the Kennedys and Pelosi, and Kathleen Sebelious. Please find another way to argue your point, PLEASE.

Stacey. . . well said. . . I totally feel the same way. Thanks.

The article stated: The Archdiocese of Baltimore emailed a statement from Mary Ellen Russell, executive director of the Maryland Catholic Conference, saying the church will not be swayed by polls, and claimed those who oppose same-sex marriage are subject to "intolerance and intimidation." Really? If you oppose same-sex marriage, you will be subject to "intolerance and intimidation." So, I am supposed to forget what I have learned from the Holy Bible (the word of God) and support gay marriage? Sorry, I cannot do that. I have nothing against gay people. I believe people are entitled to make whatever choice they want. However, I live my life (not according to THIS world), but according to the word of God. And, the Bible talks about sexual immorality as being a sin. I realize that nobody is perfect and we are all born sinners; however, God created women to be partnered with men. As they say, "Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve." If you choose to be gay, that's your right as a human being. However, I choose to please the Lord and still believe that marriage should be between men and women. So, if that makes me an "outcast" in THIS world, then so be it. However, I know that I stand by the word of God on this one. And, I'm very much opposed to any sort of sexual immorality. So, I say, "let everyone live his/her own life." God is the ultimate judge in the end. If God disapproves of homosexuality, He will judge those accordingly.

For the record, I DO have friends that are gay. I never try to tell them how they should live their lives. Each person is created by God and is given free choice. Again, each and every person will one day stand before God and have to give an account for his/her own life. So, let go and let God. I try to live my life according to God's word and according to His will. But, I WAS insulted by the article when it said that those who "oppose" gay marriage will be subject to intolerance and intimidation." So, I am supposed to change MY beliefs to make others happy? No thank you. I would much rather please my Lord and Savior. It sounds as if those who believe in the word of God will be punished. If that's the case, then I'll be first in line. Just as Jesus died for me, I would be just as willing to die for Him. The Bible is the first to say that anyone who is persecuted for His namesake shall surely be put to death. So, persecute on. I AM a Christian; and nobody can do or say ANYTHING to ever change that. Again, let go and let God. God is to judge us all! Until such time, I pray that everyone could just live in peace and harmony and not be persecuted no matter WHAT your beliefs may be.

The Episcopalians support same sex marriage. Do you think they live their lives by the words of a different God?

Sorry, Steve. I do not know anything about the Episcopalian religion. I am a Methodist, myself. And, there are not "different" Gods. There is only ONE GOD. That is a fact. And, again--I live my life according to what is stated in the HOLY BIBLE (which IS the word of God). Here is what is said about "homosexuality" in the Bible:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

This is not to say that God will not allow "gay" people into Heaven. But, I DO believe that ALL sorts of sexual immorality IS sin. And, so--these types of sin will have to be judged by God (our ONE and ONLY God); not by me. I was simply stating that it is wrong for the Catholic Church to say that ALL people who OPPOSE same-sex marriage will be subject to "intolerance and intimidation." So, I suppose I am "intolerant" according to her statement. As for being intimidated, nope. I am in no way "intimidated" because of my beliefs. I consider the Bible almost as a "GPS" for my life. And, if I want to get where I WANT to go, I need to follow the words of God. Contrary to what many believe, including the President, there are NOT many "pathways" to Heaven. There's only ONE; and ALL Christians know of John 3:16.

Laura: I think you would change your mind and be more tolerant if your brother were gay and you saw first hand how he suffered. God did not create man to make him suffer at the hands of others because of his sexuality. You are born with preference of sex. Not a choice. :)

"Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Welp, there goes Newt Gingrich.

Arbutus Town Crier: What do you mean that this has nothing to do with our faith? I'm slightly confused by your last comment. Are you saying that the Encyclopedia Brittanica is more important than the Holy Bible? You may think so; however, I do not. And, while the Encyclopedia Brittanica gives great facts about our history, it is compiled and written by man. God did not create the Encyclopedia. He only created the people who contributed to the writings of it. But, the Holy Bible WAS, IS, and will ALWAYS be the only book with the actual word of God. So, is it better to be intelligent by studying the Encyclopedia and not be saved; or to be "ignorant" (which is what I think you were attempting to say) by studying the Bible and to be saved? I don't know about any of you; however, I will choose the latter of the two. There is nothing ignorant about studying the Bible, and choosing to follow God's will for our lives. That's why Jesus was sent here by God--to set an "example" for us. Although Jesus was the only person to ever have walked this Earth completely blameless and without sin, it is still my goal to follow as closely as I can to Him. I'm not telling anyone in here how they should feel on the matter or what they should do. I am only stating what I will do. While history has changed over the years, one thing has ALWAYS remained the same. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That, my friends, will NEVER change. May God bless everyone!

Stacey: You think the Bible is a "wonderful book for its time"? That's horrible to say. The Bible is TIMELESS. The word of God is the same--ALWAYS. And, the things that you mentioned in the Bible are called "parables." Jesus spoke a lot in parables. An eye for an eye, doing everything your husband asks, etc. All parables. I do believe wives should be submissive to their husbands (to a point). If your husband were to ask you to do something against God's word, that would be wrong. And, Leslie--I know you and I are friends and have talked quite a bit--I have to say you are wrong. If my brother (if I had one, which I don't) were "gay," I would NOT be any more "tolerant" of his decision. No person can persuade me to think any differently about the matter. Some people believe that people are born "gay." I personally do not believe that. I believe it's a choice. God gave each of us a mind and free choice to do as we please in life. Although, it's His WILL for our lives to follow in the footsteps of His son, Jesus Christ. I know that's impossible for any of us to do; but, we can do our best. BTW--this doesn't change how I feel about you, Leslie. We differ in opinions here. That's okay. It's okay for people to agree to disagree. Hugs to you. Not a "lesbian-type" hug, now. Just want to get that "straight." LOL. (Joking now). Think this subject needs to lighten up just a bit. :-D

Steve--LOL about Newt Gingrich. But, technically, we would ALL be doomed to go to Hell if it weren't by the grace of God and by the blood of Jesus Christ. It's through the blood of Jesus that cleanses us of our sins (if we believe). And, of course, we're supposed to "repent" for our sins (which means ask for forgiveness and to refrain from that particular sin again). While we may slip up here and there, I believe KNOWINGLY sinning against what God wants for us is wrong. Again, I am not claiming to be perfect. I'm far from it! But, one thing I do know--I am saved (which is a good thing, since I believe the second coming of Christ is very near). And, while some say I have a "death wish," I tell them this: If you are a Christian, you should look FORWARD to His Second Coming! That's not a "death wish" at all; but, an "Eternal Life" wish! :D

Laura: Do you think someone kidnapped Kathleen Townsend, gave her cigarettes and food, went to Walmart and then made her say what she said

WOW! I am shocked that everyone here is "persecuting" me for MY beliefs. Stacey--sorry; but, you will NEVER convince me that God accepts homosexuality or approves of it. Also, I am NOT attempting to teach you about the interpretations of the Bible. Everyone has their own interpretations of it. So, you can believe all you want that being "gay" is fine with God and accept same-sex marriage. However, if that were the case, why did God create two different sexes? Why not just one? And, to the Concerned Mom--I am concerned about your way of thinking--that the Bible was written by men "less evolved" than we are. Less evolved? Sorry--but I do not believe in the theory of evolution. We did NOT evolve from apes. Well--I'll be a monkey's uncle! LOL. And, if the Bible WERE written today (as you said), it would STILL be the same. God does not change; nor does His perception of His creation and how He wanted it to be. Therefore, His words would be the same. I'm sorry you don't believe that the Bible IS the word of God (written by men--yes). But, those who actually heard from God (Himself). After all, Jesus IS Lord (hence, the Holy Trinity). As for you, FIFA--I really do feel sorry for you if you do not believe that God exists. However, you will find out the truth one day for yourself. And, yeah--Leslie--that's a good possibility--perhaps KKT WAS kidnapped and forced to say those things. I suppose we'll never know. ;D

Oh--and if you all would like to really put me down for not believing in same-sex marriage, you might also want to put me down for not believing in abortion! Because, children are gifts from God. And, yes--it really disturbs me that abortion is legal (and, in some States, even up until the 8th month of pregnancy--as reported by Jay Sekulow). And, the newest news--Obama now wants your tax dollars to help FUND abortions (calling it an abortion "surcharge"). How is THAT? Now, I am supposed to go against what I believe in (to pay for others to have abortions)? No. I draw the line there. Well, the President DID, in fact, promise us "change." And, he certainly DID live up to his promise. Didn't he? He also mocked "Heaven," laughed about it when questioned, and said the Bible should be "revised." Really? Sorry, Pres. "O." Isn't that why the Bible says it is a SIN (an abomination of God) to ADD or DELETE anything from the Bible. Yet, he calls himself a Christian--one, who also publicly said that there are many pathways to Heaven? Many pathways? Not according to the Holy Bible! Sorry folks. But, I figured if you wanted to put me down for being "intolerant," you might as well have some more things to put me down about. Yep--I'm sorry to tell you that I'm against gay marriage as well as aborting an innocent child.

Laura: I have to say you certainly are a woman who stands up for what she believes. Especially that Vi was not kidnapped. :)

Hey unhappie grannie. . . what do you think about Catholics coming out of the closet to support gay marriage?

I couldn't agree with you more, Stacey. If you will remember in one of my earliest posts, I said I was simply stating MY beliefs. I also said that it is not my place to judge anyone for their beliefs. I did say that God was the only one to judge. So, we can agree to disagree on certain points. In fact, I don't try to shove MY beliefs down anyone's throats. I will attempt to preach the word to an Atheist (so as to "save" that person), which is why we are here in the first place; however, I would never judge another person. If you try to get another person to accept Jesus Christ as his/her Savior and they choose not to, then God will deal with that individual. Everything I have said has been based on my own personal religious beliefs (as you have done the same). So, we're good, Stacey. And, yes--I have to say something when laws are about to be dictated as to whether or not we have to fund abortions (when I do not agree with killing an innocent child). Some people believe people are not really "people" until they are born. I believe we are people from the moment of conception (as God, Himself, forms us in our mother's womb). So, to be clear--Stacey--we're not "fighting" with each other on this issue. We're merely stating our own beliefs (which is fine). Okay? And, Leslie--I do stand up for what I believe in. As for "unhappie grannie," I highly doubt she would come into a site about this topic. Perhaps she's unhappie for not being able to spell, "unhappy." LOL

She must be getting ready to run again for public office somewhere.................

Laura has been talking to snakes lately.

Oh, man, Terry. . . you are right. . . didn't even think of that. Of course that's what she's doing. I wonder if she'll run for governor

Thanks, Stacey--glad I could make you laugh a little. LOL. I'm just glad that God (yes, God DOES exist FIFA--like it or not) graced me with a very good sense of humor. Excuse me, Stacey--while I say something to FIFA. FIFA--what do you mean I've been talking to snakes lately? Were you looking into my windows last night??? For the record, FIFA, I was NOT talking to a "snake" last night. I was just "extremely close" to my hubby last night. It was the least I could do since he took me out to dinner last night. But, shame on you for peeping! I wasn't doing much talking to that "snake." That snake DID spit a few times though. Okay--sorry y'all for the "twisted" humor. But, hey--FIFA needed to know the truth. :D

BTW--FIFA--I will inform my husband that you thought he had a "snake" with him. I'm sure he will appreciate the "compliment." Tee hee!

We're all going to church now! Praise the Lord!

Does this mean kkt will not be eating at chick fil a, LOL. This woman is such a joke she is the only democrat who couldn't win in this leftist state in 40 years so I doubt she is much of an asset on this issue.

Hello Dori. I'm sorry; but, if you go back and read the article again, you will see the following: The Archdiocese of Baltimore emailed a statement from Mary Ellen Russell, executive director of the Maryland Catholic Conference, saying the church will not be swayed by polls, and claimed those who oppose same-sex marriage are subject to "intolerance and intimidation."
See? The Executive Director of the Maryland Catholic Conference says that the Church will not be swayed by polls and, "CLAIMED THOSE WHO OPPOSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ARE SUBJECT TO 'INTOLERANCE AND INTIMIDATION.'" That was the line I was "insulted" by. I DO oppose same-sex marriage. So, this article says I am subject to "intolerance and intimidation." While I may be "intolerant," I am in no way intimidated by my beliefs. Again, I have "gay" friends. I do NOT tell them what they can and cannot do. I am NOT a minister. But, if I were, NO--I would NOT marry two people of the same sex. Who's the wife? Who's the husband? The Bible talks about marriage between two people (always referring to him/her; he/she; husband/wife). So, sorry, Dori. But, I am against two individuals of the same sex getting married. Suppose (just suppose) EVERYONE decided to do marry their own sex. The human race would end. Nobody would ever have children. When I said I will not tell gay people how to live their lives, I meant that; however, I will not go against my beliefs by voting that they can marry.

Dori--just to make another "similar" point: I also oppose people getting abortions. While I cannot stop others from getting an abortion, I would NEVER vote (if given the opportunity) to legalize abortions; and I certainly will vote AGAINST the taxpayers having to FUND abortions (as the President wants to impose an abortion surcharge on the taxpayers). Just because I cannot tell people what they can or cannot do (mainly because it's none of my business), I do have the right as an American citizen to vote, or not vote, for anything I choose. If people in America could do WHATEVER they wanted to do, there'd be no need for a President; no need for Congress; no need for ANY Government whatsoever; and no need to ever vote on any issue. However, I believe if we had THAT much "freedom," we would be no different than, say, Iraq or Iran. Look at how they live! I often wonder if the people over there need to add "roadside bomb insurance" to their auto policies. Just a pondering thought of mine.

Great point, amark! Honestly, if I were the owner of Chick-fil-A, I would take pictures of ALL the people who PROTESTED against me; then, I would continue opening restaurants all over the world (but have ALL of the protestor's pictures on the wall). And, if ANYONE of them came in to get something to eat, I would refuse to serve them. After all, the owner of any establishment has the right to refuse service to anyone he/she chooses. There! I said it! The owner of Chick-Fil-A has every right to voice his opinion. And, he has every right to close on Sundays (which has been another issue for many folks). My point: If you really hate Chick-Fil-A, then go and eat at McDonald's! It's just like the people who "complain" about what's on television. That kills me! If you do not like a particular show, then use that cute little invention (I believe it's called a remote control) and just change the channel. And, if you don't like ANYTHING that is on television, turn the darn thing off (or, better yet, don't buy one). ;D

Much to-do about nothing. No one will be swayed by this 'blog' one way or the other. What is intrinsically wrong is wrong today, tomorrow, ad "infinitum.". Polls can be slanted by those being polled, and by the pollster. KKT doesn't speak to My Catholic Faith, and never will, for "The smoke of satan has entered the Church" Pope Pius X. The Ballot Box will determine the outcome of this debate, and that's that!

Zoobie: You may be right about no one being swayed by this blog but this forum is a good instrument that stimulates conversation and helps us to understand each other's view.

So right! This "blog" will not change anyone's minds or their beliefs. It's just everyone expressing how they feel. It's interesting to see the comments anyway.

BTW--Zoobie, doobie, doo--where are you. . . .? Sorry, I just saw, "Zoobie" and now I can't get the Scooby, Dooby, Do song out of my head. Oh--and watch out for the "grammar police." Leslie and I have been caught before by them in here. Just a head's up, Zoobie. It's, "much ADO about nothing" and not "much to-do about nothing." Thought I'd tell you before the grammar police come in here. LOL.

Laura: LOL

If they want to get Married Let Them,just stop shoving it down our throats.Stop the Chic-Fil-a thing ,stop being Butt heads and stop acting like you're the only ones in the World with problems.If your Gay,your Gay!So What!!

Hey, Frank. . . is Darrell talking about throat rape?

Whoa, Darrell!!! Calm down there!! We are all in here expressing OUR opinions and OUR beliefs. It sounds as though you are quite "defensive" on the topic of gay marriage. If you choose to get married to another man, then go ahead. Do what you want to do. We are NOT shoving anything down your throat. If someone you know IS shoving something down your throat (or trying to), tell him you have a headache. Maybe he'll stop. LOL. As for Chick-fil-a, that company (the OWNER) has EVERY right in this world to voice his opinions! It's called Freedom of Speech. And, as the owner, he also has the right to CLOSE on Sundays for his religious beliefs. If you don't like "Chicken," then just do not eat there. You could always go to a Checkers and grab a "hot dog" or something. We're NOT being "butt heads," Darrell. Stop with the immature name-calling. And, why do you say, "Stop acting like you're the only ones in the World with problems." What does THAT statement have to do with the issue at hand? Nothing. And, you're right--if you're gay, you're gay. So what to those who are gay! If God doesn't like it (and I'm sure He does not--since it is a sexual sin), then those who choose this way of life will be judged by God one day. So stop being so defensive. Again--if someone is "shoving something down your throat," then just tell him to stop already. And, if he IS shoving something down your throat, I have to think he might just be "gay." :D

Laura: LOL

Couldn't help myself, Leslie. Hey--Darrell walked right into that one. And, I take absolutely NO responsibility for what comes out of my mouth. I, do, however, have TOTAL control about what goes INTO my mouth (or, especially, shoved down my throat). But, that's kind of "personal" now, isn't it?? Sorry; but, it IS God that gave me this "sense of humor." Too bad some people are way too serious in here, Leslie. LOL.

you are too much, Laura.

Darrell: The gays are always up in arms about this marriage issue because they are sick of being discriminated against. They want equal protection under the law which unfortunately is way too complicated to serve its practical purpose.

Leslie: Are you sure it's their "arms" that are always up? I thought it was some other part. I know; I know. Let me stop. :D

HHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

No, Dadof2--there's nothing wrong with KKT refusing to allow her children to watch MTV. But, I think her morals and values need to be looked at; while she "disapproves" of MTV, she does "approve" of same-sex marriage. So, I suppose if any children are in her home, the television cannot be on MTV; however, if two people (adults) of the same sex happen to be kissing in front of those same children, that would be okay with her??? Gee--I've seen MTV, and I don't remember seeing anything as "perverted" as two people of the same sex doing anything. Perhaps I missed something; or watched the wrong videos. hmmm.

Laura: Good point about KTT's non-acceptance of MTV but acceptance of gay marriage. I think KKT is going to run for governor and needs the gay vote. I hope I'm wrong thinking that her belief in gay marriage may not be genuine.

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