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City Paper: McDonough To Introduce Gun Owner Privacy Bill

The bill was brought on by a New York paper's decision to publish a map of pistol permit owners shortly after the Newtown, CT school shooting.

 

State Del. Pat McDonough wants to stop newspapers from publishing information about gun owners.

City Paper reports a bill on the subject is one of three that McDonough plans to introduce in the General Assembly session that starts in January.

McDonough, a Middle River Republican who represents parts of Baltimore and Harford counties, told City Paper that the gun owner bill was brought on by current events.

In New York, following the Dec. 14 school shooting in Newtown, CT, The Journal News published an online map of pistol permit holders in three counties.

The map was compiled using public record requests. A blogger retaliated by posting the addresses of Journal News staffers, as CNN reported. One blogger even published the address of the CEO of the paper's owner, Gannett, as Poynter reports.

"This is really a response to the paper in New York which claimed what they were doing was for the pub­lic good, but what it really is is a mas­sive edi­to­r­ial tak­ing up two pages of the news­pa­per reflect­ing their posi­tion of the news­pa­per," McDonough told City Paper. "It’s really dis­hon­est to not say it is an editorial."

City Paper asked McDonough if he believed it was the "role of the state" to limit what a paper can publish. McDonough told the paper, “You know your­self that there are reg­u­la­tions on the First Amend­ment. You know there are laws against scan­dal [sic] or things that are harmful.”

McDonough acknowledged to City Paper that his bills stand little chance of passing in the General Assembly, where both the House of Delegates and State Senate are controlled by Democrats.

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Related Topics: Del. Patrick McDonough, Gun Owners, Maryland General Assembly, Newtown, Pat Mcdonough, and maryland house of delegates

Steve

5:29 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

This is a waste of time. Aren't there other things more pressing?

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John

8:58 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I agree 100%. I guess those elected to be in Annapolis have solved all the real problems and are looking for ways to justify their salary. Wait a minute! They haven't done anything--let's get to work or the real problems first, boys.

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anand

12:30 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Oh wow! An outbreak of foot-in-mouth disease afoot starting in Annapolis ;)

Eastsider

6:04 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Way to go Pat..... Keep up the good work......Steve there is always plenty of time for your O'Lair and his Dem to raise taxes......

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Steve

6:12 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

"O'Lair"??

This is another example of McDonough and his "Ready!,Shoot! Aim!" tactics. If he had only done a little homework, just a little he would have realized that the only people who use these databases are the Gun Nutters themselves. They like to use them when they put on their best camouflage and waddle down to Annapolis to testify in favor of loosening the gun laws. They always try to make an issue of which lawmakers have CCW's themselves but are voting against pro CCW legislation.

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Holton F. Brown

9:09 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

all liberals hate guns?? Not so .. i'm a liberal .. and I own and even shoot guns .. and a list of gun owners .. I think .. would dissuade a criminal from breaking into your house .. and if a criminal really wants to knoiw otherwise .. I quite sure there's an internet way to get the list ..and if you have money .. you can buy a list of NRA nembedrs from a group called the National Rifle Association..
and finally .. even Pat admits that the chances of his bill are slim and none .. and Slim's out of town .. I think this proposal is a move on his part to keep his name and pink tie in the public eye for a run for governor ...

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Al Day

12:17 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Publishing the list lets the thugs in your neighborhood know who to avoid when doing mischief. Not publishing makes the thugs a bit more unsure about who does and who doesn't and a bit less likely to victimize the don't have's. Let me put it another way: if you were a thief would you victimize homeowners with guns or without? nuff said. Keep the guns and the anonymity. Thieves don't deserve to know in advance who has guns and who doesn't.

Eastsider

6:25 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Yea lets waste time making the soft crab sandwich the states official sandwich.

So what was the intent of the new York paper putting out this database?

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Steve

6:37 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

"....that in the wake of the Sandy Hill Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, residents have the right to know who has legal licenses for weapons in their area. "

Where was all this feigned indignation when the newspapers in Tennessee and Florida did the same thing?

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Eastsider

6:43 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

So advertising names and addresses of legal gun owners is the answer to this problem? I think it's opening a Pandora's box. Hey criminals this is where the guns are, have at them. Guess next you will be complaining when home invaders are being killed in large numbers over the publishing of this database.

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Steve

6:54 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

They put themselves in a public database. I don't feel bad if their names are publicized. Just like the Goofballs that signed the Same Sex Marriage and Instate Tuition petitions. Nobody forced them to put their names and addresses out there.

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fred

9:30 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

i guess the goofballs were in the majority and right since both of those passed the state. you are in a public data base SS# so lets publish everybody.

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Al Day

12:18 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Goes to show the 'majority' can be wrong sometimes.

Steve

7:01 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Has McDonough ever introduced any legislation that actually passed?

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Nick

7:11 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I just don't understand what good comes from publishing this information. How does anyone except a burglar benefit from knowing if I have firearms in my home? Would this have prevented Newtown? I sincerely don't think so. While I think the legislation being proposed by McDonough is a bit frivolous, I agree with it in principle

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Al Day

12:25 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

No, The only thing that would have prevented Newtown would have been to have a trained armed guard in the school. Nothing else would have prevented this. Take away guns and that same statement still applies. You can ban guns till the cows come home but there will still be thugs and crazies out there with them. You wanna live in a world where you can't defend yourself? I don't. You think killers would enter schools knowing their was armed force inside? They might tend to avoid such situations. In cases where they were crazy enough to do it anyhow and they could be neutralized before killing our children. I notice the white house and congress have armed guards to protect them. Aren't our kids just as valuable? Not knowing whether you are going to get blown away is a deterrent. Do not publish lists or it will be obvious who do not have protection.

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FIFA_archived

12:44 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

trained armed security guard most likely would have gotten himself blown away. The UK has not had a school shooting in 16 years since they banned cartridge ammunition. That has been proven to work.

How many places are you going to protect Al? What about the 100 kids waiting outside the school before school starts? Or on the playgrounds? Or on the recreation fields. Al, are you going to put the armed guards everywhere kids are? Day care centers too? Please tell me how you are going to protect all of those soft targets?

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FIFA_archived

12:52 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Nick, you asked what good comes from publishing this information. I ask what good comes from owning an AR-15 with a 90 round magazine? The answer I get is, "the second amendment". The answer you get, "the first amendment". Actually, not very complicated when you think about it.

Nick

7:14 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

@evets such a map of convicted sex offenders is readily available online for pretty much every area. there are also apps that incorporate this information into them as well.

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1ke

7:18 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

So it looks like the press is putting the public back in public records. Privacy and street cred have always been at odds.

Look at it this way: since middle-class people don't keep money in the house--aside from the silver and the missus's jewelry, you can think of the public knowledge that there are guns in the house as bait. Then, you can move your cars away from the house and sit there and wait in the dark for all of the felons to break in to steal them and BLAM!

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1ke

7:49 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

You've never seen the pictures of child support scofflaws in the online newspaper? I thought that was Harford County policy.

Steve

7:19 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

"I just don't understand what good comes from publishing this information."

What happens if you have a child and he gets invited over to a friend's house to play or a sleepover? This way you can just look at the map and make other plans.

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Nick

7:44 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Thank you for saving me the time evets. I take the time to ge to know the people with whom I choose to leave my children. I also take the time to instruct my children on proper firearm safety, which every parent should do regardless of gun ownership.

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Steve

7:50 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

"I also take the time to instruct my children on proper firearm safety, which every parent should do regardless of gun ownership."

I'll bet you $100 that your parents also told you to never play with matches. How'd that work out for you?

elizabeth

7:47 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I don't see the harm in publishing the information, frankly. Nothing to be ashamed of, right? And perhaps parents might want to know whether there are guns in a home where their children might be a guest. "Every day approximately five children are injured or killed on a nationwide basis as a result of handguns. The primary cause of youth-involved shooting rests with the fact that children find loaded handguns in the home – and natural curiosity leads them down the road to disaster." (http://www.thesurvivorsclub.org/extreme/surviving-accidents/accidental-shooting). Five kids per day. That's quite a few more than are kidnapped/killed by the registered sex offenders (in Maryland, ALL sex offenders, regardless of tier, are on the public registry) whose names/faces/addresses are splashed all over the 'net, even though DOJ statistics put sex offender recidivism rates at less than 5%.
(http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/rsorp94pr.cfm).

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Francis

12:12 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Elizabeth, you’re using a poor analogy, registered sex offenders are criminals of the worst sort. In comparison, the gun owners can be considered model citizens by passing the numerous checks required for their permit.

Just saying

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FIFA_archived

12:18 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Just like the model citizen woman that was arrested for buying the AR-15 that she gave to the felony convicted neighbor right before he shot the two men responding to a fire. Yup, she was a model citizen alright, until she committed a felony. Just sayin'.

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Francis

12:37 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

NO FIFA, it's not "just like that".

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FIFA_archived

12:47 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Francis, NO. She was a law abiding citizen, that is why they sold her the gun after doing their background checks, NO?

1ke

7:59 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Do any of the statistical geniuses here disagree with the basic premise that there are nearly as many guns in the U.S. as there are people?

I find it hard to believe, but apparently there is no set of protocols in place for even ascertaining how many guns are manufactured or imported.

According to a 2004 study, approximately one-third of the small arms on earth are in private hands in the U.S.

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1ke

8:04 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I am no fashion plate, but I am not feeling the white dinner jacket/ multi-chin/pink tie combo, State Del. Pat McDonough.

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John

8:57 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

If they can publish my salary each year, they can publish a list of who has a gun in their house. Would work wonders to deter people from trying to break into those houses. I don't have a gun but put me on that map and let everyone think I do.

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moe green

7:39 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

my guns were not purchased with tax dollars as is your salary. i have a choice to buy or not buy a gun. n ot so weith taxes to to employ you.

amark

10:01 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I would think liberals would be against this for two reasons. One since they say they believe in privacy, why would they support an invasion of it? Two since they hate guns and obviously don't own one, would they want some criminal to know that so they can break into their house more easily?

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Mark

6:51 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Seems that some people so enamored of the 2nd Amendment are disdainful of the 1st.

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Paul Romney

6:56 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

The presence of killing machines in neighborhoods should be given the widest possible publicity.

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1ke

7:28 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Also, they know you don't have anything worth the risk of trying to steal it.

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FIFA_archived

8:04 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Right now the federal government does not accumulate how many and what kid of weapons a person purchases as that data accumulation has been successfully fought against by the NRA. I don't care to know who has a license, I'd rather know how many and what type of guns my neighbors have in their house.

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FIFA_archived

11:52 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Because it is my right fred. Why can you buy a gun?

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steven bradley

3:13 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

FIFA is it my right to know every tool you own?

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Steve

3:21 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Firearms aren't tools, Tool.

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FIFA_archived

3:48 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I am licensed to drive and own boats, cars, real property, have loans and businesses that are registered with the government as well and are public knowledge and subject to the Freedom of Information Act. Why is your or anyone else's registered gun any different? It does not infringe on your second amendment right to bear arms, does it?

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LuckyCharms

4:38 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

If you are going to debate with people, first off, know that firearm registration is voluntary in the State of the Maryland. Machine Guns are the only firearms that are required to be registered with the State Police. The news media really likes that word... "registration."

Regulated firearms (All handguns/some long guns) are transferred. You can say it's the same thing, but according to paperwork and processes; it is not.

You buy a handgun from an FFL in the state of Maryland, you sign paperwork for the transfer of that firearm to you.

Steve

9:13 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Hey Pat! Why don't you STFU! This is all about the 1st Amendment not the 2nd.

Here is a Quiz. How many amendments does the Constitution have?

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Steve

9:15 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

....or here is an even easier question.

How many sisters does Honey Boo Boo have?

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1ke

9:29 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I think you ought to make a recording of your post and play it over a loudspeaker outside your house.

You might get rocks thrown in your direction but nobody--NOBODY--will darken the door.

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Steve

10:09 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

As Holton pointed out in an earlier post, the NRA sells it's membership list anyway. McDonough should have done his homework.

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Harry Callahan

11:16 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I like the idea of revealing this information. That way all of the criminals will know whose home they can invade knowing that no one inside is ARMED. This will have the unintended consequences of putting the Maryland General Assembly in the running to beat Baraaaaack No-Bomba as gun salesman of the century.

Oh, while you're at it, all of you who really think this is a good idea, why don't you go down to one of the many sign shops and have them make a nice sign for your front yard that reads "This home contains NO FIREARMS" and post it in your front yard. If you don't do this then you must be a hypocrite because that is EXACTLY what such a database will result in.

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Steve

11:42 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

The Moonies appreciate your money.

1ke

11:36 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

U.S. arms manufacturers are stocking the world and our citizens are buying the surplus. What's the big deal? Heh heh...an arms deal, silly.

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merryb

11:37 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I don't know about you guys (above), but I'd like to see a list of the criminals who have the illegal guns!

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wecs

11:42 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I couldn't have said it better Callahan! Stop on by Continental Arms anytime.

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Steve

11:47 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Continental Arms is the place that shares their shooters list with the cops isn't it?

How Communist is that?

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LuckyCharms

3:31 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Actually, no one forces you to go to a public indoor range so you can choose not to frequent that business.

Many indoor public firearm ranges in Maryland now have waivers you fill out confirming you are not a prohibited person from firearm possession. That goes for pretty much every state as well.

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Steve

4:03 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention "prohibited persons".

Therein rubs the lie.

Continental is the only place I have heard of that voluntarily coughs up the list of shooters to the local Gestapo.

That's Communist.

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LuckyCharms

6:49 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Interesting points, the Constitution of the United States doesn't list a lot of things that are current day law, Federal, State, County, City, etc.

I'm not sure where you "heard" Continental shares information, but to me it's no different than a prohibited person being denied the right to purchase a firearm legally, it's the same principle; prohibited persons cannot be in lawful and legal possession of a firearm which includes range time at Continental Arms. It's their business, they can do what they want.

I would suggest you take a visit to "Freestate Gun Range" in White Marsh, Horst and McCann in Hickory to find out that you need to supply the same amount of information to use their range. Horst and McCann (perhaps others?) even has a disclaimer about "Prohibited persons" on their website.

FIFA_archived

11:43 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I guess Harry it is your legal right to have a gun and my legal right to know it. As noted earlier, if McDonough sponsors it, it is not going anywhere. They laugh at him in Annapolis, even Republicans think he is a loon.

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FIFA_archived

11:54 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I stand corrected. Thank you Steve.

Holton F. Brown

12:40 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Actually .. I've heard it was a reference to a certain body part .. the one "where the sun don't shine" LOL

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Jason

1:44 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

"The constitution does not impose duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm"
DeShaney vs. Winnebago County, 1989 U.S. Supreme Court

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Laurie TMV

3:25 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

The non pro gun people like myself will never win this argument. We pay attention to the gun issue only when horrid things happen. The real gun people live and breathe this every single day of their lives.

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Steve

3:32 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

That's because it is a fetish to them.

LuckyCharms

3:40 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I don't understand what this bill is going to publish? Will it be current permits to carry a handgun? If so, I believe that information is already "public."

If not, to publish a list of all "Gun Owners" How will this information be obtained? ATF/Federal Form 4473 is used in Maryland for all firearms, however; "Regulated" (per State Police) firearms (again, only a Maryland thing) consist of a handful of rifles, and all handguns that have extra special paperwork and processes added to them.

Records could be obtained from State Police on all the "Regulated" Firearm transfers (Note: I said transfers, not registered) and published, but what about people who don't own handguns? Will someone be scouring every gun shop in Maryland to audit and record the addresses of every non regulated Long gun purchased?

It seems to me this "list" will never be thoroughly accurate as the "feel good" as this news article makes it out to be.

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elizabeth

4:01 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

"Elizabeth, you’re using a poor analogy, registered sex offenders are criminals of the worst sort. In comparison, the gun owners can be considered model citizens by passing the numerous checks required for their permit.

Just saying"

Francis, my point was that if we are going to make lists of people/places/things that pose a danger to children, it makes as much sense to list homes where children could have access to guns as it does to list the names of everyone convicted of a sex offense, no matter how minor, how long ago and whether or not it involved a child. Not all sex offenders are "criminals of the worst sort", anymore than all gun owners are irresponsible yahoos. Are SOME offenders child molesters? Yes. Are SOME gun owners irresponsible? Do SOME children get injured/killed by unsecured weapons? Sadly, yes. Instead of worrying about whether the guy down the street had sex with his girlfriend when he was 19 and she was 15 (or worse, had a topless photo she sent him in his possession), I would think concerned parents would want to know in which homes curious children might encounter deadly weapons.

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franking

6:25 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

LOL Maybe the papers should publish lists of houses with swimming pools, or those with vitamins, especially those attractive to children and containing iron. Better yet, install cameras in homes so that their statist betters can monitor food handling practices and any and all their behavior. After all, it's "for the children!"

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LuckyCharms

7:02 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

It's a shame current day education for kids is not really education anymore, from what I've seen it should be renamed to social engineering.

In less than 20 years at the going rate, every home owner will need to have a gigantic secure safe on their property to store their shovels, dewalt coordless drills, and saws because they are deadly weapons. LOL

The "poontangification" of America never ceases to amaze me, and the going rate of political agendas makes me laugh.

Harry Callahan

8:46 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

I think the main point to be taken away here is this. If you don't wish to own a firearm, then don't buy one. If you don't wish to associate with those who own firearms, then don't do so. How will you know who is who, then just ask people. If they refuse to answer or equivocate on the question then you can bet that the answer is "Yes, I have firearms in my home."

Likewise, if you do not wish to associate with people who don't own firearms, then ask them the same question and take whatever action you want to take based on their answer when it comes to avoiding them.

But don't try to tell me that I cannot or should not own firearms and have them in my home. Only people who have been thoroughly been investigated by the Maryland State Police are allowed to buy and own firearms. If you don't wish to associate with me then don't. But when you are in a bind, don't come to me asking for help or expect me to protect you.

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1ke

10:27 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Nearly 300 million small arms in the U.S, all but a couple million in the hands of private citizens. Folks in a bind, Slick, are unlikely to be beating down your door for help.

But, you are still The Man since you have been thoroughly investigated for God-only-knows-what.

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HuhDoppleghopher

10:16 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Nearly 300 million huh? Where did you find that information? CNN?

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1ke

11:53 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

I never watch TV except for sports. I can suppose you asked because you were truly interested. I could also suppose that you were trying to diminish the assertion that Americans are already armed to the teeth. Look at www.smallarmssurvey.org ,specifically http://bit.ly/RgBQyX and extrapolate since the latest estimate is that the U.S. population is 315 million.

Oh, you might also consider, while you are at the website, the role that the U.S. plays in arming the rest of the world.

It will take some reading, though, and maybe shedding some of the snottiness beneath your one-liner.

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Captain Spork

9:48 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

I am interested, however, most things you read on the internet is not correct.

Sanchez

11:03 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

"The panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders could have been about as deadly in this situation."
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/10%20CHAPTER%20VI%20GUN%20PURCHASE%20AND%20CAMPUS%20GUN%20POLICIES.pdf

From the The Virginian Tech Review Panel's assessment of the school incident.

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Sanchez

11:09 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

NRA Has 54% Favorable Image in U.S.
Majority Say NRA Doesn't Always Reflect Their Views
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159578/nra-favorable-image.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines

Barack Obama Favorable Rating 49%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/cbs-16822

U.S. Distrust in Media Hits New High. 60% saying they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157589/distrust-media-hits-new-high.aspx

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Sanchez

11:13 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Those of us who support the US Constitution and its amendments (gun nuts to some) have said registration is next then confiscation to follow. We were right.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

"Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration."

"In a Department of Justice study (pdf), Jeffrey Roth and Christopher Koper find that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was responsible for a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders,"

Really? Where are the causation/correlation people whining about this use of statistics by Feinstein?

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1ke

11:59 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Do you ever narrate, Joe?

Do you ever do anything with the copious-pastes? How do they influence your thinking? Are they all of the equal weight? Are some much more important than others?

What are other people to do with them? Wait for your commentary? Trust your conclusions? Open the links and read? Read youd extensive and laboriously quoted passages?

You deal out one-liners as consistently and stubbornly and even more viciously than anybody here.

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Sanchez

10:54 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Do you ever make a post 1ke that is not an attack of some sort on another poster and is on topic?

I post links to support what I say and think. Then people like you say they are boring and no one reads them.

That's fine as it proves to many that facts don't matter in the context of the story. Facts and copious reading is not what you Patch Vultures are here for. Research is ridiculed here by the PV. I believe the PV here have intellects limited to the twitter mentality, 140 characters. Anything more than that and their attention spans are done and on the the next insult.

I would think that the PV's who spend 24-7 here and would have enough time to do their own research and copious reading but they are just forming their next targets and slurring commentary.

Too bad 1ke you too see research as boring and not worth reading. I guess you want to be added to the PV list.

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Sanchez

10:59 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

One more thing 1ke, some of the PV's here make claims that I didn't post the one or two sentences that they pick out and slam me for leaving them out.
Then when I post longer quotes form the story, to be alleviated of that prior accusation, then the same PV's accuse me of "copious-pastes".

Damn if I do damn if I don't.

Don't like reading for your own education then don't. Quite a simple concept.

Sanchez

10:45 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Steve again does what he does best. Impugning the worst toward others.
What kind of sickness allows a man? to do such a thing regularly?

Steve supported the Occupopers so does that mean these 2 are his heroes? No but then again I am reasonable and not afflicted with such a sickness as Steve is.

T"he daughter of a prominent New York doctor went into labor and had to rushed to the hospital when she was arrested on charges of having explosives, illegal weapons and a stack of papers labeled 'The Terrorist Encyclopedia' in her New York City apartment.

Morgan Gliedman, 27, and her boyfriend Aaron Greene, 31, an Occupy Wall Street organizer, were taken away from their home in Manhattan's pricey Greenwich Village on Saturday."

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FIFA_archived

11:50 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Unbelievable, Joe lifted it directly without attribution. What a scumbag. He is no better than a pickpocket. Pickpocket Joe, "you write it, I steal it." Just an everyday common thief.

1ke

11:35 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Joe, do you call subscribing to pulp RSS feeds "doing reasearch." Silly boy, read a book sometimes.

Take your latest, for example: T"he daughter of a prominent New York doctor went into labor and had to rushed to the hospital when she was arrested on charges of having explosives, illegal weapons and a stack of papers labeled 'The Terrorist Encyclopedia' in her New York City apartment.

Morgan Gliedman, 27, and her boyfriend Aaron Greene, 31, an Occupy Wall Street organizer, were taken away from their home in Manhattan's pricey Greenwich Village on Saturday."

What is your point? What research? Is it that some bad befell a young woman? Is it that Occupiers are terrorists? Is it that you don't like Steve? What, Joe, what?

I think you may need to watch and learn and ask questions instead of jumping on the mean bus. I object to nothing but your viciousness and stubborness.

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Rick

7:36 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Wow you guys need to get a life!!!!!

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